Saturday, May 2, 2015

Ignorant consumers are... well... ignorant

As a teen I suffered from a very common affliction. My mouth just wouldn't shut up. And since as most teens, I was an all-knowing expert with opinions on nearly everything from child rearing to brain surgery, spending longer than a few minutes in my company was simply unbearable.
Fortunately, my father, a very wise man who had my best interest at heart, one day simply had enough and told me to STFU. He didn't say it like that of course. He used a lot gentler and a lot more fatherly words. But the core message was the same - if you don't know what you're talking about, it might be a lot smarter to just shut up and watch others make fools of themselves.
Before I had time to take his advice to heart, I stopped being a teen and, along with that, grew out of the habit of spewing nonsense.

Not everyone was as fortunate as me.

Then, there's this uniquely Polish genetic trait of compulsively correcting everything and everybody and thus, by pointing out the mistakes of others, proving one's own self worth.

I suffer from it as well. However, with age came the realization that 99% of the time I'd rather be drinking Starbucks, or watching my cat chase a newspaper ball than point out the minutiae mistakes of others. I mean, who cares? Right? Right.

However, every now and then, that remaining 1% kicks in.

One of my commenters, Alicja, a Polish woman writing her comments in English, does not share my love of Starbucks and cats. She'd rather be scouring the internet in search of errors in blog posts to point out. And as she's an expert on nearly everything, from economy to skincare, there are plenty of errors out there for her to correct.

Under the Dear Amore Pacific post she was an economy expert. What she said actually made sense. The only problem was that despite her English fluency she was unable to detect my sarcasm and irony and took the entire rant seriously. I didn't even think it was at all possible. I was so clearly over the top in that post... Oh well...

Under the most recent A-True review we see Alicja as a skin care expert, medical expert, cosmetics industry expert, beauty historian expert, Asian culture expert and a few others.

It started innocently enough. In a true Polish fashion, she pointed out my "misspelling" of a certain word. Somehow, it never crossed her mind that the word was misspelled on purpose - to avoid using a registered trademark.

In her comment Alicja attacked the quality of Asian skin care.
I could almost agree with her. Half the time I attack it myself. There are some brands that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole (or a hungarian, whatever...)

But then she took it a step further.

She said:

These Korean skincare products seem like a scam. Looking at the ingredients, there is nothing unusual or special in them...

I suppose she was referring to the A-True items I was reviewing. But then again I'm not sure. She didn't make it all that clear. And if that's the case, then what is she doing reading a blog devoted to Asian skincare?

Then she said:

Want tea in your skincare? You can actually apply cold tea directly to your skin and you will get the same benefits.

Really? The day they start making tea with sodium hyaluronate, then yeah, maybe.

She repeatedly referred to Asian skincare as "gimmicky".

Usually, when I see someone so misinformed that it hurts, I let them be. After all, ignorance is bliss. Let her be happy.

But Alicja didn't stop at that, oh no...
What piqued my interest was this part of her comment:

I do believe in sun filters and even though I am probably older than you, my neck looks younger for sure. It is maybe because I use no pillows (my doctor told me long ago that no pillows is better for your complexion, face and neck) or maybe because I use old fashioned European and American creams that are specially formulated for the neck. Thicker than for the face and very effective indeed. Examples: 3Lab SuperCream and 111Skin.

She says she's older than me but her neck looks younger. Whether she meant her neck looks younger than the rest of her, or her neck looks younger than my neck, that's debatable.
But that got my attention.


I like my neck and want to keep it looking young. Younger than the rest of me.

Just like Alicja, I also believe in sun filters. And I also sleep without a pillow.

Her doctor told her to sleep without a pillow. How interesting. If she only knew that sleeping without a pillow is one of these ancient "gimmicky" Asian skin care tricks to keep one's neck wrinkle-free.
In a later comment it did turn out her doctor was of Asian origin.

So... on one hand it's all "gimmicks", and on the other - it works? So finally, which is it?

Her mention of "old fashioned European and American creams" also got me very interested.
I love trying new things, and I don't discriminate. Asian, American, European, as long as it works, I'm willing to try it.

So I hopped over to the 3Lab website, started looking around and got a strange feeling of deja vu.

Take a look for yourself:

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Ginseng skincare? Eastern therapies?
And those packaging designs... They looked vaguely familiar, don't they?

I started reading the ingredient lists. Here's the one for the neck cream recommended by Alicja:

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It looked suspiciously Asian influenced.

I poked around the site some more.
And may the wonders never cease!
Marine infused skincare, fermented ingredients, ginseng.

And get that - even a cushion product. For all of US$100.00.

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Yes. A cushion for one hundred bucks.
I admit, I am very curious. I'd like to try it.

Hmmm... This is what an "old fashioned" American company looks like?

I went to the "About Us" page.

And yes, you guessed it. The company is run by an Asian-American couple.
And yes, you guessed it again. Of Korean origin.

Which brings us to this point - just how much of a wanna-be nouveau riche (or utterly lacking in common sense) our dear Alicja must be? I mean, to shell out all that money and not even look at the ingredient list, or check out the company's webpage?

The other company - 111Skin also sells ridiculously overpriced skincare with such breakthrough ingredients as hyaluronic acid and arbutin. And oh yes, lots of centella asiatica. And ferments.

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There are two possibilities:

  • 1. All that matters to Alicja is the price tag - the bigger the better.
  • 2. She just randomly picked those two companies as examples of what she thinks a fancy older woman would buy and never actually tried their products. Because I just can't believe she was never curious about the companies and what they stand for.

3Lab is Korea-lite for affluent American women, who like Alicja, shun Asian skincare. Their products copy Sulwhasoo, su:m37, Lirikos, Amore Pacific and just about every other high end Korean skincare company out there.

111Skin is for affluent women who like to brag just how much they spend on their cosmetics. I'll pass. Any company that charges almost 600 pounds for a jar of cream, yet can't properly spell "glycerin" on their website is not worth my time.

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Alice didn't have an answer why, if she thinks Korean skincare is a scam, the products she recommended came from Asian-inspired companies?
She skillfully deflected this uncomfortable fact and started to talk about placenta.

Now, placenta is a common cosmetic ingredient, not only in Asia. These days most companies use sheep placenta. And it's no coincidence that the majority of new western arrivals on the cosmetic placenta scene hail from Australia and New Zealand.

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Alicja was quick to inform me how her placenta was taken away from her, allegedly to be sold to Korean companies for skincare purposes.
Which lead me to believe that Alicja gave birth a long while ago. Or her placenta was taken for a more shady reason.
Very conveniently for her story, Alicja, though perturbed by what happened, chose not to pursue it further. Strange indeed.

Human placenta is expensive to procure and many companies prefer less risky and more easily obtainable animals product.

While placenta has been used as a folk remedy in many cultures for thousands of years, skincare benefits of placenta haven't been conclusively researched. Alicja likened this placenta craze to a cream containing fat-free milk and marketed to naive women, who are afraid of getting fat.

The main difference that fat-free milk is fat-free milk, and placenta is a nutrient rich substance was lost on Alicja. She claimed to have an embryologist in her family who "looked into it for her."

I was duly impressed. As no substantial research on placenta skincare benefits has yet been published, it was truly impressive to have someone do all that research just for her. Because how otherwise could she have arrive at the conclusion that the placenta hype is "BS".

So is collagen in skincare, as the molecule is too large to penetrate the empidermal layer.
And so is Human Oligopeptide-9, one of the key ingredients in Alicja's favorite neck cream, as again, hard science has proven that the molecule is too big to penetrate the skin.

I asked Alicja about her double standard regarding ingredients, but sadly, instead of answering, as most people when they ran out of credible arguments, she deflected and changed the subject.

She changed the subject several times.

One of the topics she gave us her expert opinion on was this:

When I see Asian skincare and makeup companies imitating, yes, imitating American products and ideals, I just feel bad for them. There is no need to get lighter skin at all. I will never understand why Asian women should desire to have lighter skin. The horrible bleaching products are really a cultural misunderstanding.

The incredible thing is that it was written by a person who claims to have lived in Asia in her younger days. Indonesia, to be exact. Wow! Alicja is just like Barack Obama! Incredible.

Ah... Where should we begin...

I thought that anyone who is familiar with Asia, and a person who used to live here certainly should be,  is aware of that fact that Asian preference for lighter skin has nothing to do with imitating American beauty ideals.
Unless, of course, Americans invented time machines and visited, oh, let's say 8th century Japan, and even earlier - Korea and China.

Or maybe it was the other way round? Maybe it was the Heian era courtiers who time traveled to the "west" circa 19th century and were so taken with the glorification of pale skin by the upper classes that they decided to bring that idea back to their own timeline?

Only Alicja knows that...

The rest of us, backed up by historical research, cosmetic history research and cultural anthropology, knows that in early Asia pale skin was a hallmark of high breeding. Of women who didn't have to slog in the rice fields. Of women who had the time and resources to spend on cosmetic pursuits.

In other words, pale skin in Asia was desirable for the very same reasons it was desirable in 19th century Europe - it was a status symbol.

Imitating Americans? Don't think there were any light skinned Americans prancing around in 8th century Japan. Maybe imitating Europeans then? Very unlikely.

Here is a very good summary of the evolution of Japanese beauty ideals - The Fair Face of Japanese Beauty - Cosmetics for Japanese Women from the Heian Period to Today.
I didn't even know it was available in English.
Incidentally, it was referenced, just a day before Alicja left her comment, by one of my favorite bloggers in this post.

And as to "Asian skincare and makeup companies imitating American products"?
Surely, Alicja meant it as a joke.

And if not, then unfortunately for her, industry analysts disagree:

The influence of Asia in skin care is expected to remain a strong highlight in 2015 including novel concepts, products, formats and benefits. To exemplify, Neutrogena’s latest offering – one of the last innovations to hit the shelves in the US in 2014 – claims to bring Asian technology to the West. Neutrogena’s Hydro Boost range consists of three key products; a Gel-Cream, a Water Gel and an Eye Gel Cream which aim to lock in moisture and draw water into the skin. Hydration is considered to be a key benefit in Asia, from cleansers to toners to face masks and moisturisers.  
Skin care is expected to continue to have an Asian trend focus with Chanel’s newest product to hit the shelves in the US called Chanel Hydra Beauty Micro-Serum, indicating that the quest of hydration is set to be strong across both side of the price spectrum. Asia is also influencing skin care as the region is well-known for multi-step routines involving an array of products, with many Western brands adding product offerings like essence and emulsion to their portfolio. Examples include Philosophy’s Brighten My Day All-Over Skin Perfecting Brightening Essence and Embryolisse Emulsion Hydra Mat Freshness Care, among others. The trend has also transpired in colour cosmetics where after the explosion of BB creams across all markets, air cushions a new make-up format from South Korea has started moving west too. L’Oréal’s Lancôme is the first Western brand to adopt this trend, with its Miracle Cushion foundation.

Though again, there's this possibility of time travel - from the late 20th century in Asia to the US in 2017, where Asian cosmetic undercover agents saw all these amazing western products packed with ingredients of Asian origin. They brought them back to their time, reverse engineered and voila! Asian skincare explosion.

Of course there is this inconvenient fact that two of the worlds oldest cosmetic companies are Japanese - Shiseido (founded in 1872) and Kanebo (1887).

For those who still don't believe where the current skincare inspirations come from, here is another entry from Euromonitor - Asian Shades of Skincare.

Alicja claims to work providing solutions for her clients.
Let's hope her solutions are in a field that she is more familiar with than cosmetic and skincare industry.

But personally?

I don't think Alicja exists.
Nobody is that ignorant. Nobody can function with such a myopic view of the world (as evidenced by other thoughts in her comments). What a sad existence that would be.

I think Alicja is a persona created by someone to get a reaction out of me.
In that case - congratulations.


PS. First rainbow powder ever? Formulated by Shiseido in 1917.
But I'm sure those f*ckers just time traveled again, and stole the idea from Guerlain Meteorites, those Japanese bastards!


  1. This Alicja/Alice lady needs to get a life and stop imposing her own world views on your blog, really. This is a beauty blog, a great one at that, and I really wonder what is going on with her own life that she can spend so much time picking apart every one of your posts and analyzing them down to the word! Lastly, she needs to realize that NOT everyone in the world looks to the West for beauty standards or skincare technology.

    Some people online are just crazy, ignore the trolls. I love your blog and find your posts to be well-researched and written.

    1. She's my first obsessive fan :-)
      And I don't think she's a real person.
      Nobody can be that ignorant in real life. It's impossible. Even in the US.

      However, I am grateful to her for that exchange. It made me curious about 3Labs and I'd like to take a look at their products to see how they compare with their Asian prototypes in real life. But c'mon. 100 bucks for a cushion? Only in the deluded world of Barneys New York ;-)

  2. Dear 2catsinjapan:
    There, you got me. I cannot believe that you dedicated a whole post to me. But why do you refer to me as "Alice"? I have never used this name nor have I requested that you use it.
    Yes, I am an economist with a narrow specialization. Yes, I dispense advice as a consultant. This is how I make my living. I work for an institute that offers advice globally, and both Japan and Korea use our expertise in various matters. Yes, I did spent a part of my young age in Indonesia (like the US President, as you pointed out. And like many other people).

    You claim to use sarcasm but I daresay your sarcasm was poorly executed. I rarely read blogs which use sharp and bitter comments as a matter of course and it seems your blog is about that. I will leave you to your audience. This is not for me. I hope you can fulfill all your dreams.
    Alicja (not Alice)

    1. My apologies. I corrected your name in this entry. Autocorrect can be a finicky friend.

      And pity that you still deflect and refuse to answer my question about your double standards regarding cosmetic ingredients and old-fashioned American creams that just happen to be Asia inspired. Did you honestly not know? Did you honestly not look? Not read? Not checked what you spend your money on?

      Did you honestly not know about the cultural and historical background behind the Asian preference for pale skin? After living in Asia?

      Did you honestly not know that for the past 20 years the majority of new cosmetic innovations, so readily embraced by western companies, has come from Asia?

      That's why it's so hard for me to believe that someone can be so ignorant. And that someone with such limited knowledge can have such strong opinions on the subject.

      I do have to thank you, though.
      You inspired me to write this post, yes, just for you. It forced me to look at cosmetic ingredients more closely, to go back and re-read cosmetic industry reports prepared by analysts specializing in the field. To search for English language references about the background of Japanese beauty concepts from a historical perspective.
      That's all valuable information for people, who unlike yourself, are truly interested in the matter.

      Fortunately for us, internet is a vast place. I hope you can find a blog that will better suit your reading preferences.
      Have a great weekend!

  3. I forgot to add something. Honestly! No conspiracy here! I forgot to tell you that my husband is a medical doctor whose specialization happens to be embryology (embriologia po polsku). And only because of this I decided that he would be a *pretty good source* to educate me about the potential of placenta products in cosmetics. Who do you think cosmetic companies' dermatologists work with when they set out to test the placenta products in skincare?
    From my end, this matter is a closed file.

    and you question why I didn't follow up on the lady collecting MY PLACENTA for cosmetic use in Asia?
    Well, why don't you try to give birth to twins and then consider following up on such nonsense.
    And later? Caring for 2 (two) kids kept me very busy for a good long while and by then, I did not care. If I could "replay" this moment again, I would object to this collection. Of course, it is also possible that I signed a waiver when I signed up for my labor and follow up with that particular hospital. Crazy American me.

    Yes, I have been perplexed by your angry tone but I don't have time for it. Enjoy your Asian skincare. I have nothing against it.

    best wishes (no sarcasm, I promise),


    1. Alicja,
      still no answers to my questions... figures.
      My tone is not angry. I'm simply curious why you refuse to answer simple yes or no questions and instead practice avoidance and change the subject?
      Until you are ready to answer, please, as you said it yourself, it might be best if you spend your time elsewhere.
      This blog and its contents, combined with my tone, are clearly not for you.

      have a great weekend (no sarcasm here either, I'm just leaving on vacation :-)

    2. Jesus, she's like a Kellyanne Cornway. So ignorant to the point that I feel sorry for her. And she didn't leave you alone.

  4. O matuchno, leżę i kwiczę ze śmiechu :D
    A z podlinkowanych rzeczy skorzystam i poczytam w wolniejszej chwili ^^

  5. I nearly spat out my drink when I saw the £600 cream. I understand that some people (*rolls eyes*) can afford to justify the price of rent for a antioxidant-rich "moisturiser", but the fact that that 'cream' does not contain any much of any antioxidants, especially for the price you're paying', just makes it ridiculous. Okay *breathes heavily*, the mere dusting of antioxidants (barely) would work for some but then, the issue of jar packaging will degrade them (read about it in a journal article).
    Still, £600. wow. oh my. Anyone who buys any ONE skincare product for that price.. need to re-evaluate their judgements IMO.

    1. Yeah, I nearly spat out my tea when I saw the ingredients of that £600 cream. Makes you really stop and take a deep breath. And I don't mean it in a good way :-)

  6. Doesn't matter. I really enjoy your blog and find it useful. I am a fan of Asian skincare, some brands more than others. I've found it extremely useful to read some of the reviews off your blog - as, like you, I do like trying new products thought not all suit my skin.

    Please keep on doing what you are doing. xxx

    1. Thank you! Not everyone was as kind in their opinion as you. This post got ripped to pieces on reddit by the holier than thou crowd.
      I'm a fan of skincare in general. Doesn't matter whether it's western or Asian.

  7. As a Hungarian reader with poor English could you please explain what you meant by this (the latter part, between the brackets):
    "There are some brands that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole (or a hungarian, whatever...)"
    Is it a Polish term for something? Is it a dispraise or what?

    Thank you!

    1. Hi! It was meant as a play on words in this phrase - I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole (meaning a long stick). Or a ten foot Pole, if I could find one tall enough. Or a ten foot Bulgarian. Or a Hungarian.

  8. Prośba o pomoc z okazji nadchodzącego lata - masz pomysł na przebarwienia pod pachami? ;) Widziałam japoński dezodorant rzekomo je rozjaśniający, ale składnikiem aktywnym była lukrecja, która na mnie nie działa (kończę właśnie trzecie opakowanie balsamu Fitomed Lukrecja Gładka, lukrecja na drugim miejscu w składzie, po wodzie; używałam go codziennie pod pachami i na biodrach - czyli tam gdzie skóra jest ciemniejsza od ciągłego ocierania). Próbowałam stosować pod pachy krem na trądzik Acne-Derm, składnikiem aktywnym jest kwas azelainowy - to działa, widzę po twarzy, ale pod pachy odpada, bo skóra tam jest cienka i sucha, do tego podrażnia ją dezodorant; Acne-Derm jest za ostry. Mogłam go tam kłaść tylko raz na kilka dni, potem koncentrowałam się na odżywaniu i nawilżaniu, ale tak przebarwień nie rozjaśniłam. Jak kładę na gębę coś z witaminą C, to pachy także trochę dostają, ale to wciąż mało. Biodra także chętnie bym rozjaśniła, bo mam na nich rozstępy, które bardziej widać na ciemnej skórze (mam porównanie z tymi na cyckach, których właściwie nie widać - rozstępy są białe, więc im bielsza skóra tym mniej się odcinają)

    Może znasz jakiś balsam do ciała z dużą ilością rozjaśniających składników aktywnych?



    1. Agnieszko, a probowalas tego Laneige White Plus Renew? Tez ma w skladzie lukrecje, ale moze zadziala. Nawet ludzie u ktorych lukrecja sie nie sprawdzila, chwala sobie ten Laneige.
      Ja nie mam problemu z ciemniejsza skora w tych miejscach, wiec nie bardzo wiem co Ci poradzic. Ale moze inni czytelnicy co podpowiedza! Pomocy!!!

    2. Spróbuję Laneige White Plus Renew. :) Na twarzy boję się eksperymentować z nowymi kosmetykami (mam cerę skłonną do wyprysków, gul, nadwrażliwą; dwa razy dostałam mega uczulenia tylko dlatego, że dany kosmetyk nałożyłam po raz pierwszy - jak szał minie to mogę używać dalej...) a że pisałaś że Laneige często Ci szkodzą to z tą marką tym bardziej będę ostrożna, ale pod pachy mogę kłaść! Nie wyobrażam sobie, żebym dostała tam pryszczycy - skóra jest cienka i sucha, na pewno przyda jej się każda dodatkowa pielęgnacja. Dzięki!


  9. O matulko, ceny tych kremów są... omg, no, wysokie.
    Od dłuższego czasu podczytuję Twój blog, zaraziłaś mnie poduszkami BB, nabyłam już dwie :D i jestem zachwycona, bo długo szukałam produktu dającego taki efekt na buzi :) Także, dziękuję ślicznie.
    Przychodzę tym razem po prośbie ;) Mam 25lat, cerę mieszaną, lubi się czasem podrażnić albo zapchać, ale nie mam z nią większych problemów.
    Chciałabym jakiś super-esktra-omg-działam-cuda krem (lub serum lub oba :p), co to nawilży, wyrówna koloryt, doda blasku i sprawi, że będę mieć piękną skórę ;) Polecisz coś wartego uwagi? W ogóle z pielęgnacji dla mojej niezbyt wiekowej skóry ?
    Pozdrawiam ;)

    1. K, nie mam pojecia co Ci poradzic, bo mam prawie 20 lat wiecej niz Ty i moja cera ma zupelnie inne wymagania.

    2. A co byś poradziła swojej córce?;)


  10. Przed chwilą "odkryłam" taki oto polski sklep internetowy z japońskimi kosmetykami - jestem ciekawa, co myślisz o ich ofercie. Czy w Japonii te kosmetyki są popularne? Wrzuciłam wszystkie cztery marki w wyszukiwarkę ebay (żeby przy okazji porównać ceny oferowane przez japońskich sprzedawców), ale wyniki otrzymałam tylko dla dwóch marek - Yu-Be i Mirai Clinical, wszyscy sprzedawcy z... USA.

    Szczególnie zaintrygowała mnie marka Kawaii Tokyo - patrząc na ceny, kosmetyki wydają się dosyć luksusowe, ale nazwa sugeruje coś innego (przynajmniej dla mnie). W sumie to animacja na ich stronie internetowej również ;)

    Sam sklep shiroi odpicowany do bólu, starają się jak mogą wyglądać profesjonalnie i nowocześnie. Jak zerkniesz na stronę O Nas pewnie zrozumiesz co mam na myśli -

    Dziękuję za podzielenie się przemyśleniami.


    1. Yu-Be to firma amerykanska, ktora sprzedaje "generic" wersje popularnego kremu Yuskin. Ale nie maja praw do nazwy Yuskin, wiec branduja sie jako Yu-Be, bo brzmi z japonska, nieprawdaz? Wersja "generic" kremu Yuskin robiona jest w tej samej fabryce co autentyczny japonski Yuskin, wiec mozna by powiedziec, ze jest to japonski produkt. Wg niektorych zrodel sklad jednak nieznacznie rozni sie od Yuskin. Wg zapewnien goscia, ktory prowadzi Yu-Be, jest identyczny. Prowadzilam z tym panem chyba jakies poltora roku temu korespondencje na temat produktow Yu-Be.
      Reszta oferty Yu-Be robiona jest w USA.
      Chcialam nawet kupic pare sztuk, zeby porownac z japonskimi odpowiednikami, ale dziwnym trafem anulowano moje zamowienie.

      Mirai to firma amerykanska inspirowana japonskimi kosmetykami i prowadzona przez Japonke. Cos jakby piwniczna wersja Tatcha, bo popularna marka to to zdecydowanie nie jest, bez wzgledu na to jak bardzo to stara sie rozdmuchac sklep shiroi.

      Kawaii Tokyo to firma z Singapuru (choc maja siedzibe rowniez i w Malezji), ktora robi swoje kosmetyki w Japonii. Z tego co sie orientuje, nie sa one do nabycia w Japonii. Sa bardzo popularne w Tajlandii i od lat plasuja sie w tamtejszych rankingach najlepszych produktow.

      Kobido i pan Mochizuki to juz troche inna historia. Kobido to nie kosmetyki, a styl masazu. Kiedys zarezerowowany byl dla bogatych, teraz w kazdym bardziej posh salonie mozna sobie sesje zamowic.
      pan Mochizuki rozmija sie z prawda na swej stronie internetowej mowiac, ze marka powstala w 1472. Kobido to NIE marka!!! Tak jak shiatsu to nie marka.
      Zajmuje sie on glownie teraz pisaniem ksiazek na temat masazu, oraz organizowaniem szkolen. I chyba przy okazji wpadl na pomysl zrobienia wlasnej linii skincare, ktora nie jest dostepna w Japonii. Wszystkie salony, ktore tutaj znam, ktore oferuja kobido, uzywaja produktow innych marek, czasem wlasnych marek, jesli salon jest na tyle ekskluzywny.
      O, i od polowy lat 80-tych pan Mochizuki mieszka w USA, wiec Kobido skincare to rowniez firma amerykanska.
      Na stronie tutaj wypisuje takie niesamowite historie:
      Unfortunately, we have had a number of incidents of tourists coming to Japan and requesting a KOBIDO facial from those on our student list. Most of our Japanese students do not speak English, serve only female clients, and also require an appointment to be made far in advance. We have had a number of issues reported of tourists coming to Japan and showing up at their door without an appointment, requesting a KOBIDO facial. Therefore, we will refrain from listing many of our Japanese students in our English site because of this.

      to bzdura oczywiscie, bo niemal kazdy lepszy salon oferuje kobido.
      Bardziej realnym wytlumaczeniem jest to, ze wcale nie trzeba studiowac z "mistrzem", aby oferowac ten styl masazu klientom.

      I dziwne jest tez to, ze jedyne dane na stronie dla japonii sa nie do osoby japonskiej, ale do tajskiej.

    2. Oh wow. Bardzo ciekawe to wszystko. Jak czytanie rozwiązania zagadki w powieści detektywistycznej ;) Dzięki wielkie za wyjaśnienia!



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